Sunday, September 12, 2010

What I Didn't Do on September 11th - Part Two - Updated

What I didn't do on September 11th, 2010, is write about how I feel about the events of September 11th, 2001.

I have never felt remotely comfortable with the conventional narrative. Although I'm not comfortable with any of the alternate theories either, I have no doubt that the official story is not the truth.

Update - September 15th - 5:30 p.m: From the comments, my concern that the
image I created above (as a screenshot) from one of the important videos of UAL Flight 175, as it was about to enter the South Tower of the WTC, has elicited negative feedback.

I think there is something attached to the bottom of the 767 that is out of the ordinary. The first commenter to disagree wrote:

The thing under the plane's fuselage? What thing? I've seen clearer versions of this picture and others and all I see is fuselage. When someone shows you a picture and then says " look there at that cylinder, and see how something explodes as the nose of the plane touches the building", people have a tendency to want to agree there's something there. All I see is shadow on sunlight on a commercial jet tipped at an angle as the morning sun shines on it from the east.


I have never seen an image of Flight 175 on final approach that qualifies as a "
clearer version of this picture" in which "all I see is fuselage." Nor a video that clearly shows nothing on the bottom of the fuselage. Here are four views, taken by different cameras, which show an attachment:
If one of these commenters can come up with a high quality image or video of Flight 175 on final approach that clearly shows an empty fuselage, rather than merely claiming he or she has seen one, please give its URL in the comments. And don't use this one, which had been used to attempt to shut people up:
I think almost all conspiracy theories have more holes in them than does the bullshit official narrative, so if my unease about that dang thing under the fuselage can clearly be put to rest, I will not mind that at all.

17 comments:

Anonymous said...

People called their loved ones and told them what was happening. There are recordings of this. How can you doubt that Islamic terrorists carried out a hit against America?

Guess it is easy to think this living in Lilly White Alaska.

Please, I can only imagine your conspiracy story....I am sure that somehow Israel and Palin are involved.

Anonymous said...

"Lilly White " Alaska???
Pffft!

alaskapi

Philip Munger said...

What the heck is that dang thing on the bottom of the plane's fuselage, right below the wing?

Tan said...

Phil; I feel the same way as you. The silly 911 truth conspiracy theories are laughable but at the same time the official story has simply not been investigated enough. Jesse Ventura once talked about what was spent on the investigation and compared it to other spending: it is frightening. Look up the cost of the 'official Bush admin' investigation. It is frighteningly small, not nearly enough for what it was entitled to.
There's no doubt those men were involved, the radical Al Queda men. But we just don't KNOW enough.
Like you Phil, I'm in the middle with no help. Each side is missing something egregious. Huge whopping great lies on each side.
An independent thorough investigation is needed for my mind to rest.
The object you speak of? Truthers believe it to be a missile and they point out the videos show an explosion to early to be the plane itself on impact. But for me, there just isn't enough clarity in the images to tell. Exactly why we need help to determine this.
Also truthers have a few valid points that send chills through ones spine. The reporter that was adamant the plane they saw was not a passenger plane but military. The fact that there IS a weird object there.
Sigh. Shudder. For me, the manner in which the Bush administration USED 911 fills me with terror. I don't doubt that Dick Cheney is capable of anything. Perhaps not Bush, but Cheney is evil. Do you know Powell has admitted that several times he had to quell Cheney's desire to trigger war with China by way of Taiwanese independence? Anyone capable of that is capable of anything.

Tan said...

What's an abomination is that people like us, that want our questions answered with a thorough, well funded and INDEPENDENT investigation are immediately ridiculed as tin foil hat types. It is shameful, utterly shameful.
I'm no engineer and thus I do not want to make statements like the towers falling was impossible. What I DO want is a team of independent engineers with significant experience in relevant incidents explaining just how the towers fell. Telling me how the jet fuel managed to melt steel the entire way down the column when most of it would have been ignited and used up on impact.

Philip Munger said...

Tan,

I don't know what the dang thing is, but it shouldn't have been on the plane. It is not an optical illusion, as it is in several different videos, taken from different angles. None of the videos with any fidelity do not show the pod.

clark said...

feels to me just like the death of JFK. the official explanation was found plausible enough by most people, despite having some major defects... but over the years, as more information and ideas came to light, public opinion began to change... to the point where a majority do not believe the official explanation.
you don't have to believe in a full-blown conspiracy to question the details... the lack of a plane or any parts of a plane at shanksville and the pentagon, for a start.

Anonymous said...

Yes Anonymous. The West has a much lower minority population than the East.

I believe the heros on the planes who called their families to say goodbye.

Philip Munger said...

anon @ 9:52 p.m. - what do you think is attached to the bottom of the 757's fuselage?

Anonymous said...

anon@9:52-
If you look at census data, Alaska is within 1 point of being as "lilly white " as New York state.
I have no idea why you brought race into it and was so startled by it I hit submit before saying that.
Phil - I aplogize for the sidebar on this...and derailing your conversation
I am mostly just watching and reading and thinking about what folks think is different than the official exposition.
alaskapi

Anonymous said...

Alaskan black population is 4.2. Not really close to NY and the east coast....as you all accuse the tea party of being.

Anonymous said...

The thing under the plane's fuselage? What thing? I've seen clearer versions of this picture and others and all I see is fuselage. When someone shows you a picture and then says " look there at that cylinder, and see how something explodes as the nose of the plane touches the building", people have a tendency to want to agree there's something there. All I see is shadow on sunlight on a commercial jet tipped at an angle as the morning sun shines on it from the east. Imagine the number of people who would have to know if there was a conspiracy of that size. Thousands. How could all of them have kept quiet for months or days let alone 9 years? The passengers from the "real" plane were left in Cleveland and executed? Even al Qaeda knows they'll never be able to pull off something like this again because no flight crew or plane load of passengers would let them get near a cockpit. That's why they've had to settle for underpants bombs.

Philip Munger said...

anon @ 4:01 a.m:

The thing on the fuselage shows up on at least three of the different videos taken of the plane as it approaches, all from different angles, which rules out shadow or reflection. I have no idea what it is or what its presence means, but to say it is not there is delusional.

Anonymous said...

Well, for me the whole believing the government on the 9/11 thing fell apart when I viewed building 7's collapse. And not just the collapse itself, which looked planned and collapsed so neatly, but also eyewitnesses who heard official crews telling people to get back, and then acting as if a countdown were occurring. Top that off with the fact that building 7 housed the office of emergency management, chock full of top secret government workers, and how convenient that that particular building would also get crushed.

I have also found that the tape of Betty Ong, a stewardess from one of the planes crashed into one of the towers, sounds strangely to me like not a real emergency, but a practice for an emergency; a drill.I don't detect fright in her voice. I've listened to it several times, and it still strikes me as odd.

Anonymous said...

Insulting someone for not seeing what you think you see is pretty weak.

Anonymous said...

Here's a fairly clear picture.
http://old.911digitalarchive.org/images/details/1200

There are more here, including some that show the plane coming towards the building. See especially the one by Sean Adair of Reuters midway down the page.
http://911review.org/brad.com/sept11planephotos.html

Anonymous said...

Here's a fairly clear picture.
http://old.911digitalarchive.org/images/details/1200

There are more here, including some that show the plane coming towards the building. See especially the one by Sean Adair of Reuters midway down the page.
http://911review.org/brad.com/sept11planephotos.html