Monday, October 8, 2012

Biden's Debate Challenge - Let's Look Back to the Biden-Palin Debate

There is far less attention this national election cycle to the vice president slot than there was four years ago.  The 2008 Biden-Palin debate challenged Joe Biden (who I have never liked.  At all) in far different ways than the upcoming debate with Paul Ryan presents.

Here's Marcy Wheeler, writing today, about the upcoming debate in context of what he faced in pairing off with Palin:

When DC Democrats talk about Biden’s upcoming debate performance, they seem to forget how Biden did in his debate against Sarah Palin in 2008. That was one of the biggest challenges in 08, pitting a guy with over 30 years service as a successful policy wonk Senator against a blithering, but very attractive female, idiot.  
It is often difficult for men to get the dynamic of debating women–both respecting them but not bullying them–right, and this was all the more dangerous. But Biden nailed it.  
Whatever Biden says to rebut Ryan, he is of all four candidates the most personable to people outside of the Beltway. What are called gaffes inside the Beltway are often regarded as authentic outside of it. And when Biden delivers lines like the one from his DNC (after 9:00 in the video)…   
My dad never failed to remind us that a job is a about a lot more than a paycheck. It’s about your dignity. It’s about respect. It’s about your place in the community. It’s about being able to look your child in the eye and saying ‘honey, it’s going to be okay.’ …  
He credibly addresses men and women who otherwise aren’t being spoken to in this election. If Joe Biden is an angry old man, he’s a lot like the angry old men who will swing this election.
Ryan will probably be less of a challenge than Palin was. Ryan sticks his neck out in ways that seldom work if he's discussing anything with somebody who is well prepared. There will be far less attention given to the 2012 Biden-Ryan debate than was given the 2008 Biden-Palin one. Here is the 2008 debate.

 First, a TPMTV summation:

 The entire debate:

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