tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2083200247132907218.post6527527791736446220..comments2024-03-23T08:51:09.577-08:00Comments on Progressive Alaska: Saradise Lost - Book 2 - Chapter 56 - Plagiarism or Not, The Speech Challenged Common Sense and the English Language -- Updated with Shirley CommentsPhilip Mungerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14601488767955084836noreply@blogger.comBlogger24125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2083200247132907218.post-47100470455395226072009-07-16T04:04:14.080-08:002009-07-16T04:04:14.080-08:00Saradise Lost - Book 2 - Chapter 56 - Plagiarism o...Saradise Lost - Book 2 - Chapter 56 - Plagiarism or Not, The Speech Challenged Common Sense and the English Language -- Updated with Shirley Comments<br /><br /><br />___________________<br />Julie<br /><a href="http://www.directstartv.com/jump.html?referID=oa-0-173189" rel="nofollow">Free HD DVR Receiver Upgrade</a>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2083200247132907218.post-82683795937153834482009-07-06T10:13:16.293-08:002009-07-06T10:13:16.293-08:00Am I the only one who sees a very possible meth ph...Am I the only one who sees a very possible meth phenomenon here? A major part of the Mat Su Valley lifestyle, therefore not a far out possibility. My personal theory is that frequent use can produce a resultant behavior pattern, such as prattling on abnormally.Miguelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17633120969071500338noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2083200247132907218.post-18946729132905999902009-06-25T08:09:37.947-08:002009-06-25T08:09:37.947-08:00I have been following this enthralling Palin saga ...I have been following this enthralling Palin saga since she first showed up on the political scene. I've been particularly interested in the massive obfuscation in and around her birthing odyssey. I read "Palin's Deceptions", avidly. I also appreciate the work being done by some in the Alaska media trying to speak truth to power, but I have one request. As follows;<br /><br />Please!!!! The country is begging you!!!<br /><br />If there is ANYONE in Alsaka who has information, as to the true lineage of Trig Palin, please do your civic duty. Come forward and spare us the embarrassment of this woman running for the Presidency.<br /><br />http://www.palindeception.com/blog/<br /><br />This woman has played this country for a fool, long enough. She must be shown, for the opportunistic megalomaniac that she is. Enough is too much.johnie2xshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02404825465288281600noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2083200247132907218.post-11848489137945038362009-06-21T10:02:30.440-08:002009-06-21T10:02:30.440-08:00I count at least 10 wingnut catch phrases but dar...I count at least 10 wingnut catch phrases but darned if I can make a lick of sense out of the sentence as a whole. Reagan evidently knew something but I cannot tell what he knew from this.<br />Maybe it would be easier for her to just hold up a picture of Saint Ronnie in front of her face, then lower the picture, wink, and wait for the applause. And for the contributions to the Legal Defense fund, under the table if you please...fhallallnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2083200247132907218.post-7300840440157649332009-06-09T15:43:35.310-08:002009-06-09T15:43:35.310-08:00This totally explains why SP went to SIX schools t...This totally explains why SP went to SIX schools to get a journalism degree. I wonder how many other times she's tried to plagiarize other individual's works?<br /><br />You don't just start doing this. Maybe she's been doing it all along and this is why they finally just gave her the degree to get rid of her?<br /><br />Plagiarism is dishonest and basically stealing someone else's ideas without giving them credit. Since we all know that SP isn't bright enough to even form an idea, she obviously has others steal her material.<br /><br />Makes sense to me. And certainly all the C4Peers would cooperate. I doubt that ethics is an issue for that group.basheerthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00769950942470390914noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2083200247132907218.post-79968421149413039962009-06-08T18:28:56.173-08:002009-06-08T18:28:56.173-08:00Ah Wolfe Tone - you have it exactly! Remember Mis...Ah Wolfe Tone - you have it exactly! Remember Miss South Carolina - such as....Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02637411972401297885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2083200247132907218.post-69654730672798747502009-06-08T13:18:59.612-08:002009-06-08T13:18:59.612-08:00Harkening back to SP's days as a beauty/schola...Harkening back to SP's days as a beauty/scholarship pageant contestant:<br /><br />A pageant contestant is taught to keep talking, even if it makes no sense, because the "judges might score her poorly" for any apparent indecisiveness when responding to an interview question.<br /><br />When this pageant training is combined with the inability to think critically, this is the sort of verbal diarrhea that inevitably spews forth.Wolfe Tonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00582205751385964204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2083200247132907218.post-1158391461243810002009-06-08T13:15:10.600-08:002009-06-08T13:15:10.600-08:00Journalism major? I believe she was the gut major ...Journalism major? I believe she was the gut major "MASS COMMUNICATION".Star the wonder puphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12656738747222580182noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2083200247132907218.post-43121063684744828132009-06-08T12:25:18.674-08:002009-06-08T12:25:18.674-08:00Who wrote her speech? Has anyone on Palin's st...Who wrote her speech? Has anyone on Palin's staff been fired?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2083200247132907218.post-68843040259022743392009-06-08T11:37:08.917-08:002009-06-08T11:37:08.917-08:00I regret I am unable to remember the source, but I...I regret I am unable to remember the source, but I read once that extremely complex, multiple subject / object sentences confuse the thinking, logical side of the brain, and allow the emotional aspect to have dominance.<br /><br />I believe she intends to speak in a hailstorm of different topics, all strung together so she can maximize her true strength: an appeal to the emotions of others.<br /><br />I agree with the assessment of a comment posted on the Huffington Post: she is a "talented political actress". <br /><br />Too bad for Alaska she is also an unethical person and a wretchedly poor governor.<br /><br />(P.S. As a journalism major, she should certainly know the importance of clearly acknowledging her source material. Her sloppy and incomplete work on "her" speech can only cause me to speculate that her attendance at 5 different schools may, in part, have been a quest to find a professor who put more emphasis on persuasive speech than the hard work of researching and writing a solid, well-thought out paper.)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2083200247132907218.post-86574044439984892442009-06-08T10:23:35.318-08:002009-06-08T10:23:35.318-08:00Anne in AK,
I have heard rumors that Mark Hamilto...Anne in AK,<br /><br />I have heard rumors that Mark Hamilton will be running for Governor - as a Republican.Philip Mungerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14601488767955084836noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2083200247132907218.post-66383724887185825842009-06-08T10:02:57.708-08:002009-06-08T10:02:57.708-08:00Anonymous said...
ADN has put up a PDF of the Van...Anonymous said... <br />ADN has put up a PDF of the Van <br />Flien letter... {my spelling sucks}<br /><br />June 8, 2009 9:22 AM<br /><br />________<br /><br />Curious isn't it that the ADN puts up a link to the letter more than 8 hours after C4P has it linked on their site. Despite all their claims of having no connection with the Governor or her administration, they sure are able to obtain information faster than a lot of others.EyeOnYounoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2083200247132907218.post-38421078310706937362009-06-08T09:23:30.399-08:002009-06-08T09:23:30.399-08:00Phil, what's up with ADN anyway..... I can...Phil, what's up with ADN anyway..... I can't post anything there anymore. How are they going to deal with the C4P people running our comment sections and WHY are they getting away with it?<br /><br />Did Palin get CC fired? Questions, questions, it just feels liked things have been zipped up lately.<br /><br />Have you heard rumors Mark Hamilton will be running for governor?Joanne in AKnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2083200247132907218.post-80006093026437960052009-06-08T09:22:07.979-08:002009-06-08T09:22:07.979-08:00ADN has put up a PDF of the Van
Flien letter... {...ADN has put up a PDF of the Van <br />Flien letter... {my spelling sucks}Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2083200247132907218.post-62720652315716978602009-06-08T09:10:18.390-08:002009-06-08T09:10:18.390-08:00KaJo,
In a comment at my DailyKos post yesterday...KaJo,<br /><br />In a comment at my DailyKos post yesterday, I predicted that the Alaska media, "will probably do all they can to enable Palin's side of the story to come out on top."Philip Mungerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14601488767955084836noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2083200247132907218.post-23565745271797382102009-06-08T09:01:35.905-08:002009-06-08T09:01:35.905-08:00I just tubed over to ADN to check out what the loc...I just tubed over to ADN to check out what the local MSM is doing. From the front page I learned:<br /><br />1. Palin doesn't have a clue about missle defense. <br /><br />2 Alaska is eat up (as we say in the South) with bears.<br /><br />From the political blog I learned that there ain't much love left for Bible Spice.apotamsiStar the wonder puphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12656738747222580182noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2083200247132907218.post-73749923207905141812009-06-08T08:41:34.514-08:002009-06-08T08:41:34.514-08:00I posted a comment at Diva's Oasis that -- con...I posted a comment at Diva's Oasis that -- contrary to Thomas Van Flein's completely unsupported, uncited opinion -- shows unequivocally that Palin did indeed plagiarize the Gingrich/Shirley speech.<br /><br />See specifically <a href="http://www.plagiarism.org/plag_article_what_is_plagiarism.html" rel="nofollow">bullet points #4 and #6</a>. <br /><br />as well as (in the reference in b.p.#6 above to "fair use", under "Plagiarism FAQ") <a href="http://www.plagiarism.org/plag_article_plagiarism_faq.html#fair_use" rel="nofollow">"the nature" of the use of the material, and "the amount used"</a>. <br /><br />Palin AND her lawyer Van Flein AND Palin's Fan Club on plagiarism = Epic Fail.<br /><br />I wouldn't be surprised if the ADN backs down, they seem to cave in to Palin's Army on so many other issues -- but they shouldn't. Palin & Co. are wrong.KaJohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11043005602676549904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2083200247132907218.post-87850617530971129212009-06-08T08:37:21.937-08:002009-06-08T08:37:21.937-08:00It met the bar of plagiarism. Not just because she...It met the bar of plagiarism. Not just because she failed to cite one of the authors but because she implies that what she has "borrowed" is hers. She didn't continue to acknowledge her "borrowing" after she went back to her original words and then went back to "borrowing". <br /><br />After reading your analysis I can understand why grammarians are avoiding her. How could anyone analyze her speech? It....makes no sense.<br /><br />It's like people who can't read that develop tricks to fool others into thinking they can read. <br /><br />Palin has developed word and catch phrases she strings together to fool people into thinking that she can....well....think. Her body language, confidence and speech patterns, using these phrases, fool people into thinking there is substance where there is none. She is a vacuum headed beauty queen who is highly ambitious. She has a talent for getting elected but absolutely none for governing.mlaiuppahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13792165896828163411noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2083200247132907218.post-56451496533275341912009-06-08T08:13:17.943-08:002009-06-08T08:13:17.943-08:00Phil, thanks for sharing this take on Sara's r...Phil, thanks for sharing this take on Sara's recent compound confusion. It made a programmer's heart laugh heartily.Celeste Longhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13846003367367754458noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2083200247132907218.post-5374672842479847402009-06-08T08:10:43.662-08:002009-06-08T08:10:43.662-08:00The anti Palin comments on the ADN site are hiliar...The anti Palin comments on the ADN site are hiliarious!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2083200247132907218.post-87509624359942794742009-06-08T08:03:54.481-08:002009-06-08T08:03:54.481-08:00While parsing Palin is interesting from a politica...While parsing Palin is interesting from a political linguistics perspective, it really has nothing to do with whether or not this is plagiarism. Palin would be expelled from universities for repeated offenses of this sort; that it is being defended is further proof of how nutty her followers are. You MUST cite both authors, state the date and place of the speech you are quoting or paraphrasing, as well as the title of the speech. Refer everyone the MLA standards, currently used at English Departments throughout our great nation. Or APA standards! Palin did not pass muster of either of those. And that's a fact. <br /><br />If Newt is so pleased about Palin's thievery, then why did she get bumped from giving the speech for the RNC, with Newt replacing her?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2083200247132907218.post-33179861204900980722009-06-08T07:02:58.832-08:002009-06-08T07:02:58.832-08:00Yikes!!! There are 74 (yes, seventy-four) words i...Yikes!!! There are 74 (yes, seventy-four) words in that "sentence". When did she have time to breathe? No one with half a brain can say that those 74 words possibly made any sense, whatsoever.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2083200247132907218.post-51028048518978691742009-06-08T05:39:53.699-08:002009-06-08T05:39:53.699-08:00Uh, since when is "that" a preposition? ...Uh, since when is "that" a preposition? I hope you didn't hurt yourself trying to parse that garble. However, it is definitely plagiarism.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2083200247132907218.post-41527951242055291882009-06-08T02:48:58.499-08:002009-06-08T02:48:58.499-08:00How can anyone seriously debate whether this was p...How can anyone seriously debate whether this was plagiarism? As a teacher, if I got this turned in as an assignment with the one (ungrammatical) reference to a "good article" by Newt, then the paper's "author" instantly would be before the disciplinary committee and would not have a prayer. There are rules about attribution, and this speech violated them any way one looks at it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com