tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2083200247132907218.post6314817137813561534..comments2024-02-23T23:43:50.014-09:00Comments on Progressive Alaska: Obama Convenes Real Death Panel - Sentences Tens of Thousands with Asthma to Early DeathsPhilip Mungerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14601488767955084836noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2083200247132907218.post-71529825150707707812011-09-02T23:28:34.175-08:002011-09-02T23:28:34.175-08:00I think the bit about Jesse walking off a cliff fo...I think the bit about Jesse walking off a cliff for Obama as a litmus test for you, is bizarre. Also bizarre, the form of a question: 'did I imply that'. <br />Clearly - I did not imply that.<br />There is no choice but to concede that perspective is hugely different here.<br /><br />You present whatever you want - it's your blog. For <i>you</i> to express <i>yourself</i> and <i>your</i> thoughts.<br />I get to comment on what I think about what you presented, although maybe I shouldn't. But you're prominently visibly linked. So I click and read.<br />You write well. You obviously think hard about it. But I never get the 'why' of it. I walk away wondering what I may have missed in _my_ understanding of any given issue. But you do compel me to read more, trying to figure it out. So I guess that's well-served. <br />Perhaps I simply give you too much credit.<br /><br /><b>So there's the U.S. leader with a rather sinister look on his face, raising a toast to his unilateral decision to sentence tens of thousands of asthmatics to death.</b><br />Oh. Now why would he do that? What jackass doesn't know that EPA regulatory standards are a good idea? That industrial pollution is a problem? That is causes illness. That poor air quality makes it hard for human beings to breathe and life-threatening to those with respiratory conditions. That it's a health risk to shit in our own nest.<br />Is it possible that President Obama <i>doesn't know this</i> or is deliberately choosing to disregard this?! [gasp] Wow, he just doesn't seem like that kind of a guy (or that painfully stupid, either). How would such a thing happen?<br />Wait, I can take a guess right off the top of my head. <br />Like a unified front of Republican Party nincompoops who willfully hold hostage the American citizenry and interfere with normal government operations in order to get what they want, and still sleep just fine at night? <br />A group of individual politicians hell-bent on making <i>this particular president</i> look bad at any cost? <br />A coven of elected policy-makers (oh yes, including Alaska's) who intentionally and deliberately misuse reasonable rules of order and process intended to provide checks and balances, to manipulate congressional activity. And should maybe be held a little accountable.<br /><br />Is it possible that this might be part of the deal that got the debt ceiling issue closed? Is this where we see the paying of the piper? I genuinely don't know, because I didn't personally read the hundreds of pages myself. I wonder what the language says, and what concessions have been made, and where we might see deals made come into play. In stuff that we care about. On issues that make a difference.<br />How can we tell where it's a president making bad decisions and where it's a president gamely playing the hand that he was dealt, when the house cheated and rigged the deck?<br />And that would be my primary purpose in reading this blog and others like it. Because I'm hoping to learn something; get a better understanding.<br /><br />Oh well. Maybe not. <i>Maybe he's just a really bad, terminally stupid president.</i><br />McCain, anyone? Now there's the guy that would have gotten it done, right?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2083200247132907218.post-62534587807205294422011-09-02T22:57:21.375-08:002011-09-02T22:57:21.375-08:00Linda,
Judy told me the same over dinner tonight....Linda,<br /><br />Judy told me the same over dinner tonight.Philip Mungerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14601488767955084836noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2083200247132907218.post-73426569981521989192011-09-02T21:14:39.588-08:002011-09-02T21:14:39.588-08:00Ummmm...Phil...the Democracy for America Training ...Ummmm...Phil...the Democracy for America Training Academy is to help folks run their local/statewide races. It's not training for Pres. Obama's campaign.Linda Kellen Biegelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2083200247132907218.post-19526961616486555712011-09-02T20:33:14.188-08:002011-09-02T20:33:14.188-08:00Phil, DailyKOS is hardly an "Obama worship&qu...Phil, DailyKOS is hardly an "Obama worship" site. Lately there have been a lot of pie fights, because any time Real Democrats dare to criticize Obama's pro-corporate actions or policies, or complain about his many broken campaign promises, they get piled on by a very small minority of Obama worshippers. <br /><br />As a frequent commenter there, I can tell you that the majority of Kossacks are NOT Obamabots.<br /><br />But those that are, as Celia says, act much like someone who is stuck as the victim in an abusive relationship.<br /><br />You are right, he is barrelling rapidly towards not only losing the election but killing our Party! It's time for Real Democrats to take it back, starting with our caucuses next March(?).HarpboyAKnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2083200247132907218.post-84143406967766420662011-09-02T18:28:29.536-08:002011-09-02T18:28:29.536-08:00For some Obama is like being in an abusive relatio...For some Obama is like being in an abusive relationship. People keep telling them the truth, but they are in denial. They won't understand until they get the crap beaten out of them several times. Obama is not the friend of the people that so many believe he is. When someone shows you who they are believe them the first time.Celia Harrisonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11677285261692810441noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2083200247132907218.post-81311374557533382372011-09-02T16:13:44.047-08:002011-09-02T16:13:44.047-08:00"He (and me, too, Phil) deserves a real analy..."He (and me, too, Phil) deserves a real analysis, not just a spanking. Is that hard?"<br /><br />--- I don't even know who the fuck you are, so a lot of your comment seems bizarre, especially this part.Philip Mungerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14601488767955084836noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2083200247132907218.post-33858130236498732342011-09-02T15:25:31.307-08:002011-09-02T15:25:31.307-08:00http://www.grist.org/article/2010-11-17-for-epa-re...http://www.grist.org/article/2010-11-17-for-epa-regulations-cost-predictions-are-overstated<br /><br />seems to remove any justification for the rule changes.clarkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10006229490840930891noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2083200247132907218.post-71436928267295631582011-09-02T15:03:33.891-08:002011-09-02T15:03:33.891-08:00"--- I fail to see your point." No, not ..."--- I fail to see your point." No, not really, Phil. My point? A four-sentence post suggesting you unlink. From an "Obama-worshipping blog." <br />No, you got it. <br /><br /><i>"Are you implying that Jesse would walk over the edge of a cliff for Obama, and that if I won't too, I must be failing some sort of a progressive litmus test?"</i> Um. Sure. I guess? What? No. You're not progressive. What does Jesse have to do with it?<br /><br />I wonder we couldn't just do it the old-school way? Why people can't just speak using real language, offer opinion, rationale, reasons for what they think?<br /><br /><i>Hate, love, worship, idolize, detest</i>...very strong but meaningless. Inaccurate. Excessive. <br />I'm over it with the sexy emotional trigger language and sentiment-based positions. That's a marketing gimmick, not a position statement.<br />I'd like it if people would offer dry explanations of WHY they think what they do. _Nobody_ ever says WHY they think something, these days. Including you, Phil.<br />I'm interested in the BASIS, the INFORMATION, the RATIONALE on which an opinion has been formed.<br /><br />The other thing I'm fatigued with - the credential of the clique. So-and-so said it and thinks so too, so therefore, it's meaningful.<br /><br />You know, President Obama is not the worst leader I can think of. It's not an easy thing to run a small company (or a university or a prison system), much less an entire country of the size and sophistication of the U.S.<br />He's doing a fair job. He deserves a fair critique. He (and me, too, Phil) deserves a real analysis, not just a spanking. Is that hard?<br /> <br />I like to hear real stuff. Partly because I don't understand every issue and the nuances of every piece of policy-setting. No one does. But very few people acknowledge that. I like explanation and instruction. I like to really know the 'how' and 'why'. It's an awful lot of homework to spend the time looking for the pieces for a thorough understanding. If you have it, you could share it.<br /><br />So. Get my point?<br />Probably not. Never mind.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2083200247132907218.post-63302050885116745802011-09-02T13:19:44.643-08:002011-09-02T13:19:44.643-08:00"You might consider unlinking your blog from ..."You might consider unlinking your blog from IM. It really doesn't fit. Wrong audience and wrong politics.<br /><br />"Is the "Progressive" title a little tongue-in-cheek entendre?<br /><br />--- I fail to see your point. What is un-progressive about observing that the lack of spine on this issue WILL endanger the health and shorten the lives of many asthmatics and people with cardiovascular problems? Do you disagree?<br /><br />Are you implying that Jesse would walk over the edge of a cliff for Obama, and that if I won't too, I must be failing some sort of a progressive litmus test?<br /><br />Please note that <b>finally</b> today the Mudflats is also taking up the issue covered extensively here since it began - the protests outside the White House of the Keystone XL tar sands oil pipeline. And she writes about her encounter with the Begich office on this pipeline, which Sen. Begich seems to support fully, based on her interview.<br /><br />AKM has also joined me in protesting this egregious backstabbing by Obama of the health standards for hundreds and hundreds of thousands of Americans. Should AKM also de-link to and from the Obama-worshipping blog, Immoral Minority?<br /><br />Hat off to Jeanne Devon!<br /><br />Waiting for Gryph to stop awarding Obama gold stars. Not holding my breath.Philip Mungerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14601488767955084836noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2083200247132907218.post-53986752507742516312011-09-02T13:01:38.160-08:002011-09-02T13:01:38.160-08:00Anonymous,
I got here from IM. He also links to A...Anonymous, <br />I got here from IM. He also links to AKWTF where I got the spineless fucking jellyfish. There are a lot of intelligent people who voted for President Obama, but are disgusted with what has happened in a few short years--the self-inflicted wounds, the re-hiring of the same mofo financial losers who got us into this mess, the capitulating and capitulating and capitulating and capitulating and to the GOP and not going after the real crooks in the financial system. I've been involved in a number of environmental causes and even I'm disgusted by this from our idiotic "justice" department:<br />http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/machine-kills-fascists (that's for the musicians)<br /><br />and this:<br />http://www.zerohedge.com/print/437267<br /><br />Don't want to be a Kool-aid drinker for either side.nswfmnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2083200247132907218.post-89737473275789630232011-09-02T12:07:32.249-08:002011-09-02T12:07:32.249-08:00You might consider unlinking your blog from IM. It...You might consider unlinking your blog from IM. It really doesn't fit. Wrong audience and wrong politics.<br /><br />Is the "Progressive" title a little tongue-in-cheek entendre?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2083200247132907218.post-49637730729696726362011-09-02T11:15:02.900-08:002011-09-02T11:15:02.900-08:00The tag from AKWTF is appropriate here: Spineless ...The tag from AKWTF is appropriate here: Spineless fucking jellyfish.<br /><br />A friend of mine works for the EPA under this and the previous admin, as well as in the mid-late 1980s. She said the next election will be the lesser of the evils. <br /><br />Hope and change, not so much.nswfmnoreply@blogger.com