tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2083200247132907218.post3299401385073065647..comments2024-03-23T08:51:09.577-08:00Comments on Progressive Alaska: firedoglake's Live Blogging of the Israeli Attack on NATO-flagged Humanitarian FlotillaPhilip Mungerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14601488767955084836noreply@blogger.comBlogger31125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2083200247132907218.post-38836343119555909762010-06-02T21:03:46.030-08:002010-06-02T21:03:46.030-08:00How many dead or injured unprepared-for-resistance...How many dead or injured unprepared-for-resistance IDF are there? How many dead or injured were with the humanitarian mission? I think those numbers will speak volumes about who is at fault here. But bear in mine that the IDF boarded a ship without invitation in INTERNATIONAL WATERS. Hmmmm.<br />No wonder that "anonymous" hides under that username...wouldn't want his name associated with his nauseating bullshit. The IDF and its masters are simply living out their biblical past, a chronology of devinely sanctioned violence to anyone who dares get in their way. I read lots of books on the concentration camps and and wept at the monstrous evils meted to the Jews in Nazi Germany. Sadly the ruling elite in Israel are fast becoming an imitation of their historic tormentors.Brucehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08370672271348171011noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2083200247132907218.post-34394361429017156902010-06-01T21:49:10.752-08:002010-06-01T21:49:10.752-08:00You do agree don't you that Hamas's desire...You do agree don't you that Hamas's desire to exterminate the Jews is going a little too far...<br /><br /><br />and answer came there none. I guess that silence speaks volumes about today's Left...Shame.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2083200247132907218.post-72291249777087701812010-06-01T16:22:36.591-08:002010-06-01T16:22:36.591-08:00"Wow Phil, tough crowd!"
Yeah, people w..."Wow Phil, tough crowd!"<br /><br />Yeah, people who don't blindly follow whatever B.S. the Daily Kos spouts and who don't think that Al-BBC are exactly sympathetic to Israel. <br /><br />"in the four years since this blockade started, it has become very clear that this is not an Israeli action to prevent terror "<br /><br />If that is the case why have the number of terrorist attacks inside Israel dropped so significantly ? You obviously miss the days when innocent Israelis were blown to pieces in dancehalls and cafes.<br /><br />"They were not armed, they were at sea, "<br /><br />Yeah, all those knives were for carving driftwood - get real.<br /><br />"they were at the mercy of the IDF "<br /><br />Yeah, those islamist thugs looked really frightened of the Israeli soldiers as they battered them with iron bars and threw them off a deck.<br /><br /><br />"This insanity cannot continue. If peace cannot be reached and fairness established - then those in power ...shouldn't be."<br /><br />I agree...the genocidal thugs of Hamas should be removed from power. The muslim mindset that Israel should be a Jew-free area should be renounced. You do agree don't you that Hamas's desire to exterminate the Jews is going a little too far...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2083200247132907218.post-6472432122173667642010-06-01T01:42:44.425-08:002010-06-01T01:42:44.425-08:00Wow Phil, tough crowd! Here in the UK even our sli...Wow Phil, tough crowd! Here in the UK even our slightly slanted mainstream news can't deny the inhumanity of this event. <br /><br />To expect the Israeli authorities to deliver this much needed aid and construction materials is foolish - in the four years since this blockade started, it has become very clear that this is not an Israeli action to prevent terror but collective punishment of a people.<br /><br />I never cease to be amazed at the actions of Israel in Palestine - or the weak reactions of the international community in response. The power of the shout 'anti-semite' has muted many.<br /><br />Legalities can be argued but the reality is, this was an aid ship in international waters and they were attacked, resulting in death and injury. The warnings that were issued to the occupants meant nothing, when you note the terror that accompanied them. They were not armed, they were at sea, it was night and they were at the mercy of the IDF - self-defence is understandable.<br /><br />The videos on the news seem to start only once the vessel was boarded - there is though video footage of the minutes before. There is already shooting and mayhem and reports of 2 dead - again, this is BEFORE they were boarded. You can find the video here: <br />http://bit.ly/buA4qw <br />& here: <br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MB-Mk4bFz-U&feature=player_embedded<br /><br />I read too that the Irish Boat the MV Rachel Corrie is proceeding to Gaza despite this:<br />http://post.ly/i2aH <br />Also that the Turkish authorities have decided to accompany future aid vessels under their flag, with military vessels.<br /><br />This insanity cannot continue. If peace cannot be reached and fairness established - then those in power ...shouldn't be. I cannot accept that words won't solve what weapons can't.<br /><br />NamasteTina Louisehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14434465515735523539noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2083200247132907218.post-20909387186370213682010-05-31T21:39:47.543-08:002010-05-31T21:39:47.543-08:00"A Daily Kos Diary, analyzing NATO responsibi..."A Daily Kos Diary, analyzing NATO responsibilities regarding Turkey in this matter, has hundreds of comments,"<br /><br />Perhaps this blog should watch grown-up news rather than relying on the pathetic juvenile rantings of the hysterics at the Daily Kos. Taking the bile spewed out by 17 year old anarchists on face value is no way to go through life.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2083200247132907218.post-16604433383878980342010-05-31T21:31:16.133-08:002010-05-31T21:31:16.133-08:00In a pivotal moment , Progressive Alaska took it&#...In a pivotal moment , Progressive Alaska took it's Israel-bashing to a new level of hatred. Without waiting to hear all sides of the story, this blog decided that Israel was in the wrong and that the "peace activists" were in the right.<br />Contrast this rush-to-judgment with the "we don't know all the facts - so let's not judge" when PA attempted to whitewash the Fort Hood jihadist. If I recall PA's first comment about Fort Hood was to run a story about some obscure Jewish Rabbi in Israel. <br />Seems PA is just another knee-jerk anti-semite who is on the side of Hamas and the islamists. Disgusting.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2083200247132907218.post-54072729950561559972010-05-31T20:39:24.443-08:002010-05-31T20:39:24.443-08:00Anon@7:51, if they suspected the flotilla was carr...Anon@7:51, if they suspected the flotilla was carrying guns, why would they board it armed with paint guns? None of this makes any sense.<br /><br />As for the double standard, just because some of us feel that the IDF was wrong, don't assume we agree with the UN lack of action over North Korea. Don't assume that because I am American, I agree with everything my country does. Personally, I think we could all be kinder to each other everywhere in the world.WakeUpAmericanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2083200247132907218.post-13953594214693799252010-05-31T19:51:02.052-08:002010-05-31T19:51:02.052-08:00Even the IDF make mistakes - they knew that most o...Even the IDF make mistakes - they knew that most of the "Peace activists" were the usual useful idiots i.e. relatively harmless. What they didn't bargain for were the dozens of Turkish islamic thugs on board the main ship. If they knew the thugs were waiting to ambush them why did they board the boats armed initially only with paint guns ? <br />They also don't have to be invited...a nation has the right to board ships that are heading for it's national waters and are suspected of carrying weapons.<br />This was not a deliberate "massacre" by the Israelis as the Left has claimed - they were ambushed and the Islamists got the propaganda victory they wanted.<br />Please note that the anti-Israel UN condemned Israel straightaway but have still not condemned North Korea for the unprovoked attack that sunk a South Korean ship with the loss of 46 lives. Why the double standard ? Seems anti-semitism is now a global problem. Sadly the American Left have thrown their lot in with the islamofascists who are plotting a second Holocaust.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2083200247132907218.post-79206978101670171272010-05-31T19:17:47.788-08:002010-05-31T19:17:47.788-08:00And again I ask, if the IDF knew all this to be tr...And again I ask, if the IDF knew all this to be true about the people on the flotilla and their "purpose", why would they board uninvited and be unprepared for resistance? Does that make any sense? We're talking about the IDF; they are experts in this stuff. I would say the truth is somewhere in the middle of this.WakeUpAmericanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2083200247132907218.post-48316268859911745342010-05-31T19:06:15.190-08:002010-05-31T19:06:15.190-08:00Prof William Jacobson offers a different view from...Prof William Jacobson offers a different view from the knee-jerk anti-Israel out-pourings of the pro-Jihadist Left......<br /><br />" The flotilla was organized by the Islamist government in Turkey to aid Hamas with the goal of opening up shipping channels for Turkey's new friend, Iran, to ship more and better weapons as it is doing to Hezbollah in Lebanon. Iran is busy turning Lebanon and Syria into one large missile launching pad against Israel, and a southern base in Gaza will complete the encirclement of Israel for the coming crisis over Iran's nuclear program.<br /><br /> The Europeans on the ships were cover, and the placement of an 18-month old child on these ships was the utmost cynical use of a human shield.<br /><br /> If getting humanitarian supplies to Gaza really was the goal, this flotilla was not necessary. The supplies would have been off-loaded in Eqypt or Israel and then shipped in by land after being checked for hidden weapons.<br /><br /> And that is the rub, only sea-based shipping would provide Iran with the mechanism for almost unlimited armament of Hamas. There is a limit to the quantity and size of missiles and other armaments which can be smuggled through tunnels from Egypt. That is why the sea blockade must be broken for Iran to get what it wants."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2083200247132907218.post-1833783441759324072010-05-31T18:54:10.979-08:002010-05-31T18:54:10.979-08:00Dear "sjk from the belly of the plane" ,...Dear "sjk from the belly of the plane" , thank you so much for your balanced comments. It's nice to see a voice of reason on a blog that normally attracts so many hysterical anti-Israel rants.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2083200247132907218.post-1109344571657446712010-05-31T18:44:50.333-08:002010-05-31T18:44:50.333-08:00Thanks to an astute HuffPo poster:
Four points he...Thanks to an astute HuffPo poster:<br /><br />Four points here:<br />1. The San Remo Manual governing int'l humanitarian law indicates in rule 67(a) that it is permissible to attack neutral vessels on the high seas when the vessels "are believed on reasonable grounds to be carrying contraband or breaching a blockade, and after prior warning they intentionally and clearly refuse to stop, or intentionally and clearly resist visit, search or capture." So, what Israel is doing is, in fact, legal under international law.<br />2. Huwaida Arraf, the "humanitarian" behind the Free Gaza Movement, supports armed Palestinian resistance and that Israeli citizens are acceptable targets. She also has called suicide bombings "noble" on multiple occasions. So, the "humanitarians" might be the opposite of what they claim themselves to be.<br />3. An Al-Jazeera report from May 28 shows "humanitarians" on board the ships chanting Intifada songs aimed at Jews and praising martyrdom. Chants include "Intifada, intifada, intifada! Khaybar, Khaybar, oh Jews! The army of Mohammed will return!" relating to a seventh century massacre of Jews in Khaybar by early Muslims. So, the "humanitarians", as usual, are hoping for the death of Jews.<br />4. The videos clearly show the "humanitarians" attacking the Israeli soldiers with pipes and fire bombs and knives, completely in contradiction to an earlier statement to the press by Arraf, who claimed any resistance would be non-violent. <br />It's easy and popular to attack Israel, but if you scratch the surface you see there are very much 2 sides to this story.sjk from the belly of the planehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16534445418871394872noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2083200247132907218.post-90638497491078038572010-05-31T18:40:54.099-08:002010-05-31T18:40:54.099-08:00"How do you know that is true? From whom did ..."How do you know that is true? From whom did that first hand info come? Just askin'"<br /><br />The news was reported on that notoriously pro-Israeli outfit, Al-Jazeera. Sorry if it doesn't fit the Leftist narrative of evil Israeli soldiers attacking peace-loving, harmless innocents.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2083200247132907218.post-1181741911206164582010-05-31T18:31:35.732-08:002010-05-31T18:31:35.732-08:00Its EXTREMLY important to understand that this bra...Its EXTREMLY important to understand that this brand of Anti-Semitism is directly linked to the Arabs and hitler. mein kaumpf is still "popular" if not required reading in many "cultures":<br /><br />http://www.eretzyisroel.org/~jkatz/missed.html <br /><br />(use the Google)<br /><br />NEVER AGAIN!! NEVER FUCKING AGAIN!sjk from the belly of the planehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16534445418871394872noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2083200247132907218.post-41371281089629141852010-05-31T18:21:18.099-08:002010-05-31T18:21:18.099-08:00Tina Louise,
Thanks for coming here. I continue ...Tina Louise,<br /><br />Thanks for coming here. I continue to read your wonderful poems.Philip Mungerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14601488767955084836noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2083200247132907218.post-88799579050630501482010-05-31T16:10:25.051-08:002010-05-31T16:10:25.051-08:00Phil, It looks like a lot of your readers are bett...Phil, It looks like a lot of your readers are better informed than you on this. Please take this as a "teachable moment". Its OK to be wrong. And you are. Morally and legally!sjk from the belly of the planehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16534445418871394872noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2083200247132907218.post-35333641183049561612010-05-31T16:00:17.447-08:002010-05-31T16:00:17.447-08:00Anon@1:18, I find your info quite interesting. Ho...Anon@1:18, I find your info quite interesting. However, if all that you say is true, why would the IDF board uninvited and be unprepared for resistance? It doesn't make sense on several levels.WakeUpAmericanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2083200247132907218.post-47269261886107914912010-05-31T15:56:05.355-08:002010-05-31T15:56:05.355-08:00How many dead or injured unprepared-for-resistance...How many dead or injured unprepared-for-resistance IDF are there? How many dead or injured were with the humanitarian mission? I think those numbers will speak volumes about who is at fault here. But bear in mine that the IDF boarded a ship without invitation in INTERNATIONAL WATERS. Hmmmm.WakeUpAmericanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2083200247132907218.post-7174905673731430832010-05-31T15:55:54.238-08:002010-05-31T15:55:54.238-08:00"Peace does not seem to be the objective but ..."Peace does not seem to be the objective but rather destruction of Israel"..<br /><br />We have a WINNER. that is the goal, the object of the floatilla, the wish of Iran, Syria, and probably a few other regimes.<br /><br />As long as everyone understands that, Israels actions are put in the proper perspective.sjk from the belly of the planehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16534445418871394872noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2083200247132907218.post-28990423104093555342010-05-31T15:52:22.568-08:002010-05-31T15:52:22.568-08:00Suffering in Gaza as of last November:
http://www...Suffering in Gaza as of last November:<br /><br />http://www.paltoday.ps/arabic/News-64161.htmlsjk from the belly of the planehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16534445418871394872noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2083200247132907218.post-43498600792161156432010-05-31T15:51:57.066-08:002010-05-31T15:51:57.066-08:00Hey, Anon@1:11, are you on the flotilla? "...Hey, Anon@1:11, are you on the flotilla? "...news reports showing islamists on the ships chanting "Oh Mohammed, kill the Jews" before the Israelis even sighted the ships ? How come no mention of the news reports of the islamic woman saying "we have come for one of two HAPPY endings, for Martyrdom or Gaza"? " How do you know that is true? From whom did that first hand info come? Just askin'<br /><br />Spin, spin, spinWakeUpAmericanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2083200247132907218.post-6081579402181321862010-05-31T15:31:13.375-08:002010-05-31T15:31:13.375-08:00"Today is a very sad day for a lot of us. Gaz..."Today is a very sad day for a lot of us. Gaza and the Palestinians (and Israel) have been suffering needlessly for far too long."<br /><br />So very true. The Palestinians hold their freedom and future in their hands. Instead of acting in a peaceful manner they put in charge some "ihadists" fronting for Jew Hating Iran.<br /><br />How stupid can it get. Put a bunch of dumbfucks in a raft, who then commit "suicide by cop" and somehow expect the MSM to say even though Israel did something that every other country in the world have done, for some strange reason Israel should have let the invaders in without inspection, customs etc. Try that in China or Russia.<br /><br />Phil, I am sorry but this event just exposes stupidity.<br /><br />I am getting the feeling that there is so much hatred towards Israel that the haters will only be happy when all the Jews are dead.<br /><br />I am not a big Israel fan or foe. But I can see the the hatred is deep and long term. <br /><br />Peace does not seem to be the objective but rather destruction of Israel. Hope, I am wrong.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2083200247132907218.post-71094975373771793782010-05-31T15:19:46.949-08:002010-05-31T15:19:46.949-08:00Phil, you have a lot of facts. Too bad they are al...Phil, you have a lot of facts. Too bad they are almost all slanted. <br /><br />NO mention of the repeated warnings from Israel to NOT do this, and to divert so the supplies could be off loaded and delivered. EXCEPT the banned items. NO mention of how 15K tons per WEEK is let thru.<br /><br />No pics of the suffering in Gaza like this:<br /><br />http://www.paltoday.ps/arabic/News-64161.html<br /><br />No mention of 5 of the vessels cooperating and the 6th being an attack mob. Keep omitting the facts and your cred slips as your bias shows.<br /><br />I appreciate the forum.<br />Thanks...<br /><br />sjksjk from the belly of the planehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16534445418871394872noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2083200247132907218.post-65374836181650190522010-05-31T13:52:27.142-08:002010-05-31T13:52:27.142-08:00I came to find you when this incident happened - I...I came to find you when this incident happened - I knew I would find well-informed commentary :) Today's events have at least drawn the eyes of the world and with the help of social media, helped to balance previously unclear views.<br /><br /><br />Hope you are well Phil and that if you decide to consider: "gathering artists together to create a 2010 version of the pivotal protest album from 1985, Sun City." ...that it is an outstanding call to the world, for peace.<br /><br />Namaste,<br />Tina LouiseTina Louisehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14434465515735523539noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2083200247132907218.post-88094897091497206102010-05-31T13:18:33.933-08:002010-05-31T13:18:33.933-08:001. Prominent among the coalition organizations par...1. Prominent among the coalition organizations participating in the aid flotilla scheduled to arrive in the Gaza Strip in the coming days is the Turkish IHH (Insani Yardim Vakfi, IHH, "humanitarian relief fund"). It is a radical Islamic organization which was established in 1992 and formally registered in Istanbul in 1995. [...]<br /><br />3. In practice, besides its legitimate humanitarian activities, IHH supports radical Islamic terrorist networks. In recent years it has prominently supported Hamas (through the Union of Good). In addition, the ITIC has reliable information that in the past IHH provided logistical support and funding to global jihad networks.<br /><br />4. IHH's orientation is radical-Islamic and anti-American, and it is close to the Muslim Brotherhood (Hamas' parent movement). IHH supports Hamas and does not hide the connection between them. Hamas also considers its links to IHH and Turkey to be extremely important, and regards Turkey as a target audience for its propaganda network (Palestine-Information, Hamas' main website, has a Turkish version, and as of the end of 2009, the website of its military wing, the Izz al-Din al-Qassam Brigades, has also appeared in Turkish).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com