tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2083200247132907218.post2121734689601081328..comments2024-03-23T08:51:09.577-08:00Comments on Progressive Alaska: 2nd Amendment Rally Wednesday at 11:00 AM at UAAPhilip Mungerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14601488767955084836noreply@blogger.comBlogger39125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2083200247132907218.post-63733704502060597672010-04-29T22:13:12.492-08:002010-04-29T22:13:12.492-08:00Matthew, you've already been spouting the prop...Matthew, you've already been spouting the propaganda crafted by the NRA, echoing it word for word,<br /><br />...now you've dipped into Guy Smith, expecting anyone to take you seriously after you citing him as an authority ?<br /><br />This is the guy who was caught writing his own autobiographical descriptions for different uses that had him describing his past as two different fantasies happening at the same time.<br /><br />Read one of his biographical sketches and he claims he was a cowboy. Read the other and he claims he was a surfer.<br /><br />Which of his fanatasy persona appeals to you ?<br /><br />Check out his website and all the publicity stills where he 'poses' and you can order 8 x 10 glossy prints of himself.<br /><br />Holy Gawds, can you pick em....<br /><br />..<br /><br />Oh and by the way, that group you say is pathologically averse to citing it's studies ?<br /><br />I wasn't aware of who this group was, so I looked at your link.<br /><br />The pdf link you provided for vpc is a study and it starts off citing 35 sources, and each section is fully sourced, with notations listing the sources in each section.<br /><br />You say they are pathologically averse to doing just what they do, all you have to do is look at your own link to see they do what you say they don't .<br /><br />What to make of that dishonesty on your part matthew ?<br /><br />Do you not have the slightest clue what it is you spout off about ?<br /><br />Or were you just thinking you could tell a little fib and no one would notice ?<br /><br />You want credibility ? You're going about it all wrong.<br /><br />..freeperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12596406607388899845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2083200247132907218.post-76245401870031781992010-04-29T17:56:37.451-08:002010-04-29T17:56:37.451-08:00All,
I appreciate the variety of comments posted ...All,<br /><br />I appreciate the variety of comments posted here on this subject.<br /><br />I'm sorry I was unable to attend Thursday's "rally" on campus.Philip Mungerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14601488767955084836noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2083200247132907218.post-41357873186731367402010-04-29T17:21:52.638-08:002010-04-29T17:21:52.638-08:00Anonymous at 9:33
If the "study " you a...Anonymous at 9:33<br /><br />If the "study " you are referring to is the VPC google search report, http://www.vpc.org/studies/ccw2009.pdf you might want to link to it so people can read it themselves. Those with any experience in the social sciences would then be able to recognize it as an absolute methodological disaster.<br /><br />You might also link to a critique of the study, pointing out the flaws so folks can make up their own mind, rather than operating as a VPC mouthpiece.<br /><br />http://www.examiner.com/x-3253-Minneapolis-Gun-Rights-Examiner~y2009m7d21-Lies-damn-lies-and-VPC-statistics<br /><br />As an example...<br /><br />"The VPC concludes their report by stating that these examples illustrate clearly that concealed carry laws are not good public policy because permit holders are dangerous. Furthermore, there is a clear implication that they are more dangerous than the general public.<br /><br />Let’s take a closer look at the statistics to refute this wild inaccuracy. According to the FBI Uniform Crime Report, across the general public in the United States, there are an average of 0.042802 murders per 1,000 citizens per year.<br /><br />Now… even if we concede all 51 deaths detailed in the VPC report as wrongful deaths, averaging them across the over 6 MILLION permit holders in the United States and taking into account the two year timeframe, we get an average of 0.00425 per 1,000 per year.<br /><br />In other words, even if they are 100% correct in their wildly flawed report, they have simply proven that permit holders commit murders at a rate that is 1/10th of the general public."<br /><br />A little context is a wonderful thing.<br /><br /><br />As for your Texas information, it also fails to provide meaningful context.<br /><br />Note that <b>arrest</b> data isn't particularly useful to judge risk as an arrest can occur even after a lawful use of force until the truth is determined at trial.<br /><br />Here's the actual <b>conviction</b> data from the DPS for 2007 (other years are available at the same site).<br /><br />http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/administration/crime_records/chl/ConvictionRatesReport2007.pdf<br /><br />The total number of convictions that year was 61,260. CHL holders were 160 of those, 0.2612%.<br /><br />While any crime committed by any citizen is unfortunate and violent crimes are reprehensible, to claim that CHL holders are some sort of significant threat when they account for less than 1% of all convictions is a bit of a stretch.<br /><br />Note that the numbers of convictions and permit revocations (which need not involve a crime being committed) from other states are similar.<br /><br />Regardless of what the VPC would have you believe with their cherry picked data and laughably flawed "studies", there is no evidence to support their claims of the danger of concealed carry permit holders.<br /><br />I recommend anyone truly interested in an honest examination of teh facts about gun laws in this country visit http://www.gunfacts.info/ .<br /><br />While it is a pro-gun site you will note they provide footnotes to the actual primary data or study cited so you can judge it for yourself, something the VPC is pathologically averse to doing.Matthewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05414687981098467556noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2083200247132907218.post-87216433892331423642010-04-29T14:23:12.376-08:002010-04-29T14:23:12.376-08:00I doubt it is so "simple."
I think it h...I doubt it is so "simple."<br /><br />I think it has more to do with laws and their enforcement.jimnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2083200247132907218.post-55871641150291970712010-04-29T09:49:25.643-08:002010-04-29T09:49:25.643-08:00simple answer to simple question.
Canada has reje...simple answer to simple question.<br /><br />Canada has rejected the lunacy of the NRA.<br /><br />..freeperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12596406607388899845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2083200247132907218.post-7805723255508822032010-04-29T09:37:05.953-08:002010-04-29T09:37:05.953-08:00Also, 8:39:
Any thoughts on why Canada has much l...Also, 8:39:<br /><br />Any thoughts on why Canada has much less violent crime than USA? (It is against the law for private citizens to conceal weapons in Canada).jimnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2083200247132907218.post-1497055881293017592010-04-29T09:35:07.676-08:002010-04-29T09:35:07.676-08:00I live in Bethel. No need to lecture me about scho...I live in Bethel. No need to lecture me about school shootings, thank you.<br />Alaska did away with the requirement that armed citizens take a class on the laws surrounding deadly force prior to being authorized to carry a weapon concealed from plain view.<br />As far as the NRA goes, if they still object to placing tracer taggants in commercial explosives, then I'm with 'em. Anything short of that is a complete sellout to the Federal Government and makes a mockery of their financially lucrative "defense" of the second amendment.<br /><br />MS<br />BethelMark Springerhttp://markspringer.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2083200247132907218.post-23808575445641813752010-04-29T09:33:07.394-08:002010-04-29T09:33:07.394-08:00Concealed handgun permit holders have killed at le...Concealed handgun permit holders have killed at least nine law enforcement officers in addition to 152 private citizens in 95 incidents occurring in 25 states since 2007.<br /><br />Of these incidents, 15 were murder-suicides involving firearms and 15 were mass shootings (three or more victims) that claimed as many as 11 lives at a time. <br /><br />When the National Rifle Association launched its state-by-state campaign for lax concealed handgun laws, it made this promise: ‘People who get permits in states which have fair right-to-carry laws are law-abiding, upstanding community leaders who merely seek to exercise their right to self-defense.' <br /><br />To the contrary, concealed handgun permit holders are killing people over parking spaces, football games, and family arguments.<br /><br />From 1996 to 2000, and just in Texas, concealed handgun permit holders were arrested for weapon-related offenses at a rate 81 percent higher than that of the general population of <br />Texas, aged 21 and older. <br /><br />These weapon-related offenses included: 279 arrests for assault or aggravated assault with a deadly weapon; 671 arrests for unlawfully carrying a weapon; <br />and, 172 arrests for deadly conduct/discharge firearm.<br /><br />In a December 2009 direct-mail letter echoing the language of both the Tea Party movement and other extremist groups, NRA Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre warned of “massive armies of anti-gun, anti-freedom radicals marshaling against us for an attack that could make every other battle we’ve ever fought look like a walk in the park...an attack aimed at completely rewriting our nation’s values and the future of our country in ways that you and I won’t even recognize.”<br /><br />Fifteen years ago this same rhetoric motivated Timothy McVeigh, a former NRA member, to bomb the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City. <br /><br />The NRA and other radical members of the gun lobby are again embracing and validating these views.<br /><br />The truth is that the rule of law guarantees our freedoms, not carrying AK-47s down main street. Gun extremists have exploited basic common sense and are risking people's lives with their irresponsible actions, not to mention fanning the flames of an already toxic political environment.<br /><br />The gun lobby's argument boils down to, “well no one said we can't carry guns in public, therefore it's our right.” <br /><br />Nonsense. If we witnessed a group of angry men walking down the street in some South American country carrying loaded handguns, assault rifles and signs that encouraged violence, it is doubtful we would look at such an event as a shining example of democracy.<br /><br />A nation of laws and public order must be capable of guaranteeing its citizens the right not to be intimidated by armed individuals at a local Starbucks, at a political rally, or on a university campus. In other words, true freedom demands that we have some common sense regulations over carrying guns in public.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2083200247132907218.post-78100575624361574112010-04-29T09:17:49.088-08:002010-04-29T09:17:49.088-08:008:39:
I keep her away from Wallmart but not becau...8:39:<br /><br />I keep her away from Wallmart but not because of security concerns.<br /><br />I notice you didn't mention Mountainview as one of the wonderful places where we could go for a walk. Or for a late night drive. We go to Dimond Center when necessary although I do worry about gun violence as someone was recently shot to death there. Folks shooting guns (that they had concealed) can also give parking lots a "wild west" atmosphere.<br /><br />I was on a jury one time where we convicted a guy who was involved in an armed robbery of UAA students at a party. Conspicuously this robbery was off campus. He used a concealed weapon that he pulled out after being at the party for a while. I doubt they would have let him into the party if they had been aware he was carrying a weapon. No one was hurt, but it could have been a different story if someone else had pulled out a concealed gun and started shooting.<br /><br />I was interviewed for another jury on a murder trial where it was alleged that a hand gun had used. The attorneys asked me if I had anything to say. I did-- I expressed my bias against hand guns since people often conceal them in order to commit crimes. I indicated I thought handguns had limited advantages beyond concealment-- concealment was often for treacherous purposes. Why should a weapon be concealed? I indicated that if I woke up at 3am and Godzilla was in my living room, rather than having a little concealed hand gun that goes pop pop, I'd want a semi-automatic 12-gauge under my pillow that goes KABOOM KABOOM KABOOM KABOOM KABOOM! (they thanked and excused me).<br /><br />The entire argument for concealed weapons is highly questionable. I figure why conceal? Disclose and let it all hang out. That way we can see you coming, try to determine if you're weird or not, and if we think you are weird we can try to get out of the way.jimnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2083200247132907218.post-17400800813867407042010-04-29T08:39:43.536-08:002010-04-29T08:39:43.536-08:00"I suspect I've got other stuff in common..."I suspect I've got other stuff in common with you, albeit not regarding guns on campus. I think campus security is the best security resource for a University. I don't trust every fire-armed, unknown, anonymous, autonomous Tom, Dick, and Mary to provide "security" to my daughter after I've sent her off to school. To hell with that. I want trained professionals looking out for my daughter's safety, not unknown freelance gun-toting amateurs."<br /><br />Do you let your daughter go anywhere in Anchorage? Is she allowed to go to Walmart? What about restaurants or fast food joints? Hiking trails at the Eagle River Nature Center or state parks? If you weren't aware, in AK concealed carry with no permit is legal. That means there are likely a whole bunch of law abiding, armed citizens wandering around <i>in those public places where you let your daughter go.</i> If this bothers you so much, how do you justify letting her go to those dangerous places? Really, the only solution is to keep her locked in the house; she can also visit private residences of friends who have similar opinions, battered women's shelters, federal buildings, the military bases, K-12 schools, daycares, and bars where alcohol is served but anywhere else in the state of Alaska will expose her to unacceptable risk.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2083200247132907218.post-81792315065063671362010-04-29T08:35:23.157-08:002010-04-29T08:35:23.157-08:00Join the NRA's elite group, aka 'The Secon...Join the NRA's elite group, aka 'The Second Amendment Task Fools' and get your decoder ring, your 'insignia decal' window sticker, a shooter beanie, (with propellor), your secret 'insignia pin', (so the othr fools will know you're a fool too ), and your 'certificate of appreciation' from the NRA for joining their elite group of especially gullible fools.<br /><br />So much for these fools telling everyone they are independent thinkers only interested in their personal freedoms and liberty. They're nothing but drones, indoctrinated by the NRA noise machine and then sent out blindly to do the work of their NRA masters.<br /><br />Sheep, deluded, pliable sheep. Puppets who jump where and when they are told to jump. They are given their scripts to read, told what they're supposed to think, and they run right out to do the bidding of the NRA.<br /><br />http://www.nrahq.org/GIVEJOINHELP/satf/index.asp<br /><br />http://www.nrahq.org/givejoinhelp/satf/satf_benefits.asp<br /><br />They've been fed an alternative reality by the NRA, and now that alternative reality is all they see. They think that alternative reality has replaced any other reality, that's what they've been told, and now they willingly believe only what they've been told by the NRA.<br /><br />They'll even insist that the NRA alternative reality is all that 'seems apparent' to them........<br /><br />The NRA claims their latest brainwashing project is a success, and I have to say it's been successful in producing delusions in any number of fools.<br /><br /><br /><br />..freeperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12596406607388899845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2083200247132907218.post-51035151146760965702010-04-29T08:35:08.664-08:002010-04-29T08:35:08.664-08:00Tina,
You should press criminal charges for assau...Tina,<br /><br />You should press criminal charges for assault if you feel that George's conduct was threatening. We have laws in place to protect victims like you who feel threatened by others.<br /><br />AS 11.41.230. Assault in the Fourth Degree.<br />(a) A person commits the crime of assault in the fourth degree if<br /><br />(1) that person recklessly causes physical injury to another person;<br />(2) with criminal negligence that person causes physical injury to another person by means of a dangerous instrument; or<br /><b>(3) by words or other conduct that person recklessly places another person in fear of imminent physical injury.</b><br /><br />I think you'd end up paying a bunch of court costs, but go for it.<br /><br />Mark,<br /><br />"...a place he really has no need to be carrying it..."<br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_shooting#United_States<br /><br />Clearly, a student or teacher with a concealed weapon would have just gone crazy and joined Cho's rampage at VA Tech. People do not have a right to self defense.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2083200247132907218.post-60775434777213950192010-04-29T08:28:01.230-08:002010-04-29T08:28:01.230-08:00So, if I have this right (and thanks for the first...So, if I have this right (and thanks for the first-person, Tina), Mr. Hines, a conservative activist seeks "standing" at the bar of justice to right a wrong, i.e. being issued a ticket for carrying a firearm in a place he really has no need to be carrying it and wasn't allowed to in the first place. Isn't the point of suit to render a wrong right or to cure an injury? I cannot see for the life of me how Mr. Hines' rights have been infringed upon by receiving a ticket. My guess? Tossed at first hearing.<br />Whats the difference between an activist defendant and an activist judge? <br />Just... wondering.<br />MSMark Springerhttp://markspringer.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2083200247132907218.post-24054845141908648942010-04-28T23:16:52.766-08:002010-04-28T23:16:52.766-08:00I am a student at UAA (just finished my finals) wh...I am a student at UAA (just finished my finals) who had a class with George Hines. He was a bully, and said things like "Democrats are all radical nutcases," and "I hope people go to that rally and beat the sh*t out of them like they deserve," when referring to those that supported the anti-discrimination ordinance in Anchorage. He made the environment in the classroom extremely uncomfortable and hostile, and would often tell the class about how he told people "where their place is". This man is violent, and the fact that UAA had prior knowledge of him planning to bring a weapon to school further upsets me. If I had sent out e-mails and flyers warning that I was going to bring a gun to school, the university would have had me arrested before I reached the campus. Yet they allowed this man and his followers to bring weapons to a school--the place of learning--so that he could prove some kind of point.<br /><br />This "protest" and how it was allowed to happen on campus, and how no one was arrested, tells me that if I brought a gun to school because I didn't like my grades, it would be perfectly fine. In fact, with this example, I should start carrying weapons in case something doesn't go my way. What kind of mentality is this? It's a school, not a military warzone.<br /><br />I warned UAA about my discontent, and e-mailed both the former Dean of Students and Chancellor that I felt uncomfortable and threatened by George Hines. The Dean of Students met with me, but no action was taken. In my opinion, UAA has absolutely no regards for student safety and I will never let my siblings attend UAA.tina isbellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11153949588653724910noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2083200247132907218.post-54889743954128067052010-04-28T21:23:48.325-08:002010-04-28T21:23:48.325-08:00Mel Wrote: "So the grey area is: are the rea...Mel Wrote: "So the grey area is: are the reasonable policies set by UA Regents tantamount to state law, to the extent that a judge will uphold them? Or will a judge say that for firearms to be prohibited on campus, that the statutes have to say so in so many words, directly, as they already do for courthouses, K-12 schools, etc.?"<br /><br />Could the UAA board of regents make prostitution legal on campus, even though it is prohibited by state law? Could they say that they were NOT going to treat homosexual partners equally and extend benefits, as the state does? Do the regents have the authority to directly contradict any state law they see fit on campus? Because right now their policy is in direct contradiction of the state pre-emption statute.<br /><br />Mr. Hines got what he wanted -- standing to sue. UAA got what they wanted -- no big scene.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2083200247132907218.post-40521815467872941612010-04-28T19:29:27.224-08:002010-04-28T19:29:27.224-08:00George:
I don't think you're insane. I...George:<br /><br />I don't think you're insane. I'm an artist so I'm probably 'crazier' than you. I just didn't witness much public interest in your advocacy today. Lousy turnout. Not many people showed up. I'm often a minority of one myself so I'm a good evaluator and gauge of flops-- your demonstration was nearly as dead as some first Friday art openings. It was that bad.<br /><br />I observed (to one of the UAA staff) that the demonstration was small. She replied that most Alaska demonstrations are small.<br /><br />I suspect I've got other stuff in common with you, albeit not regarding guns on campus. I think campus security is the best security resource for a University. I don't trust every fire-armed, unknown, anonymous, autonomous Tom, Dick, and Mary to provide "security" to my daughter after I've sent her off to school. To hell with that. I want trained professionals looking out for my daughter's safety, not unknown freelance gun-toting amateurs.jimnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2083200247132907218.post-15371544639503395822010-04-28T19:01:06.517-08:002010-04-28T19:01:06.517-08:00Difficult for me to "be a man," George, ...Difficult for me to "be a man," George, since I'm a woman. Seems to me I did a pretty good job of "speculating," too, since I hit the nail on the head that you wanted something like the citation to give you standing in court.<br /><br />You wrote, "I know you would like to make me look like I am insane and it will fit your needs to throw red meat to the emotionaly driven left." -- if you're talking about me, I suggest you not attempt to attribute motivations to me when you don't even know enough about me to know I'm not a man. My blog's at Henkimaa.com. I'll be posting something about all this in the next coupla days, which will inform you of my motivations. Right now I've got a prior engagement.Melissa S. Greenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12858548044405913769noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2083200247132907218.post-37403442842458893502010-04-28T18:03:59.967-08:002010-04-28T18:03:59.967-08:00Well you guys really do great investigative report...Well you guys really do great investigative reporting. If you want to know something by all means ask me I am not shy. My facebook is open so you would have something to do with your time. I left campus after I got what I wanted standing in a court case. You are right about grey area. Only it is grey for university. I know you would like to make me look like I am insane and it will fit your needs to throw red meat to the emotionaly driven left. Please don't speculate it makes you look silly. You know my facebook is open be a man and ask I will tell you the truth.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02281240552918342203noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2083200247132907218.post-89490101748070685022010-04-28T16:25:39.929-08:002010-04-28T16:25:39.929-08:00Alaska Dispatch has an article out about the prote...<a rel="nofollow">Alaska Dispatch has an article out about the protest.</a> 4 people cited by UPD for carrying firearms on campus. The article includes links to PFDs of George Hines' Dec. 2009 letter to the Regents & UA Pres. Hamilton's reply in February 2010 -- which is an absolutely terrific justification for the UA firearms policy. <br /><br />I wrote a comment there but it hasn't yet been posted. The guy who commented there so far made a misstatement of fact about 18+ (part of what I responded to) -- I recognize his name from discussion on the year-ago ADN story about campus carry.Melissa S. Greenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12858548044405913769noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2083200247132907218.post-76044292450579432162010-04-28T16:05:56.518-08:002010-04-28T16:05:56.518-08:00Mel:
I'd figure both sides, but especially UA...Mel:<br /><br />I'd figure both sides, but especially UAA's, got legal advice before they engaged today. If this goes to court, it will be interesting to see who got the best advice.jimnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2083200247132907218.post-55283071439918925342010-04-28T14:23:36.859-08:002010-04-28T14:23:36.859-08:00Alaska Constitution, Article 1, Section 19: "...Alaska Constitution, Article 1, Section 19: "Right to Keep and Bear Arms -- A well-regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. The individual right to keep and bear arms shall not be denied or infringed by the State or a political subdivision of the State."<br /><br /><i>Alaska’s Constitution: A Citizen's Guide</i> 4th edition (Alaska Legislative Affairs Agency) explains:<br /><br /><i>The second sentence of this section was added by amendment in 1994. It makes explicit that the first sentence, which comes directly from the Article II of the U.S. Bill of Rights, should not be interpreted to deny individuals the right to have arms. Although most states have a “right to bear arms” provision, it often differs substantially from the language here. Various state constitutions, for example, protect the right of a citizen to bear arms “in defense of state,” “for the common defense,” “in defense of himself,” “in defense of his home,” and “in defense of his property.”<br /><br />Federal and state courts have ruled consistently that these constitutional provisions do not prevent states from regulating firearms by such means as requiring registration of handguns and prohibiting automatic weapons, sawed-off shotguns and concealed weapons. Nor have they prevented states from prohibiting paramilitary organizations. The Alaska Court of Appeals has ruled that the state law prohibiting a felon from living in a house where there is a firearm, and the state law prohibiting an intoxicated person from possessing a firearm, do not violate this section (Morgan v. State, 943 P.2d 1208, Alaska Ct. App., 1997; and Gibson v. State, 930 P.2d 1300, Alaska Ct. App., 1997).</i>Melissa S. Greenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12858548044405913769noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2083200247132907218.post-27389206380275814662010-04-28T14:14:16.936-08:002010-04-28T14:14:16.936-08:00Does the state constitution tell us anything?
I&#...Does the state constitution tell us anything?<br /><br />I'm working on your video stills.jimnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2083200247132907218.post-82556608554375224602010-04-28T13:57:16.105-08:002010-04-28T13:57:16.105-08:00Their aim was to get arrested or to get what they ...Their aim was to get arrested or to get what they got -- citations issued by UPD. This gives them something solid that they can file a lawsuit over. Their hope is that a court case will lead to a judgment that Regents' Policies against carrying firearms on campus is illegal by state law.<br /><br />Here's the grey area I see: Alaska Statutes grant UA Regents the authority to set reasonable rules & policies at UA campuses/facilities. Statutes also empower UA to establish police forces like UPD to enforce state & local laws.<br /><br />But statutes reserve the power to regulate firearms to the state -- local authorities like municipalities can make gun control laws that go as far as state law but can't go any further. And state law is that except for a few places (licensed DV shelters, licensed daycare facilities, courthouses, K-12 schools unless the authority there gives permission, businesses which serve alcohol for consumption on premises, your private residence without your permission), anyone who is otherwise legal to carry a firearm (21 or over, not a felon, etc.) can concealed carry without permit.<br /><br />So the grey area is: are the reasonable policies set by UA Regents tantamount to state law, to the extent that a judge will uphold them? Or will a judge say that for firearms to be prohibited on campus, that the statutes have to say so in so many words, directly, as they already do for courthouses, K-12 schools, etc.?Melissa S. Greenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12858548044405913769noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2083200247132907218.post-90053394506562945942010-04-28T13:46:14.791-08:002010-04-28T13:46:14.791-08:00Mel:
Waiting to hear from Phil, but even in my do...Mel:<br /><br />Waiting to hear from Phil, but even in my documentation, I doubt you'd see anything resembling "many."<br /><br />Just didn't happen. It was anemic. If it had been any less, no one would have been present.<br /><br />If there were "many" members, there were even more UAA administrators and peace officers (although there weren't many).jimnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2083200247132907218.post-78101736831044184982010-04-28T13:30:09.271-08:002010-04-28T13:30:09.271-08:00I forgot to take a picture of the sign at the stud...I forgot to take a picture of the sign at the student union door. There didn't seem to be any security concerns-- the kids at the daycare near the sign were playing outdoors. If there had been any concern about security they would have put the kids inside and locked the place down.<br /><br />I headed home around 11:45 after I saw a guy with a big yellow flag returning to his car-- he seemed content-- I figured they were breaking up although other people continued loitering at 36th.<br /><br />I'm not sure what these folks are really trying to accomplish. It appears UAA handled the situation very well and it was all low-keyed and civil, (arrests or not)- I'm anxious to hear from the news or better yet from Phil.jimnoreply@blogger.com